A Petal Among Thorns

The game looks good, it has nice model and nice environments (though this is not the first game I saw with these exact assets and environments) and crispy clean renders. The writing is overall good, sometimes a bit corny and the pace of the relationship development didn't feel too fast and forced, but on the other hand, at times it felt dragged to me... I was like, come on already, stop whining about the same thing for like the fifth time. A lot of parts in the story feels stretched out and meaningless, for example, the TV shows that I have to go through... I don't care about them, just time-jump over this section and progress the story. Similarly, the portion of writing a story etc... why the game keep persisting with taking me into different stories... I didn't like these side tracks. I understand that maybe this is the arc of the MC, but I didn't connect... so maybe it is just me. There is a lot of teasing for those who appreciates it. The scenes themselves are pretty arousing dialogue-wise, but the animations and the variety in each scene is pretty limited, leaving you wanting more. Everything is very vanilla. There was such a build-up towards their first sex, but it left me disappointed. It was pretty simple, with 1 position and a bit robotic animation. But overall all it was a nice game.

Petal among thorns - Review This is a well written game with a great story that leads on to the other 2 games in the series, petal among thorns is a fantastic visual novel with fantastic renders, great story and fun sex scenes. There is nothing I would say would be a con or needs improvement, its slow but thats what its supposed to be Great job, I looking forward to playing the next one

The game was very enjoyable. the dynamic and teasing of the father and daughter was very intriguing and I couldn't get enough of it. The character models are superb. The writing very professional. I appreciate getting to playing this gem, thank you.

Loved it from start to finish. Loved how Petal wasn't overly exaggerated when it came to breast size. If you are a fan of small breasts, gripping storyline, and well thought out plots, then this game is for you.

PROS + The characters feels quite lively, and immersive, especially Petal, she is really lovely, and cute, and her interactions with the MC is quite funny, and cute as well, along with how compatible they are with their humor, playfulness, etc. And they have some pretty good bond going on as well with how they helped each other with problems they have, stuff going on in their head, or how, and why Petal feels things she feels about to MC, etc. + Sex scenes are animated, and most of them are decent, even tho we have some static bad animations as well. - Visual style, and quality, is decent, and Petal's design is good. CONS - Dialogues are nice, and all, but sometimes they feel too much, and overhelming because of reading too much dialogue back, and forth, and the game feels bit to slow-burn as well. - The sex talk is bit awkward on most points, especially when MC tries to joke around, that's kind of mod killer for sure. - Existence of Chuck, Wendy, and things revolved around them is probably biggest con of this game. First of all how they got involved with thing going on between MC & Petal was annoying, and unnecessary, things would be fine without writers involving them, in fact would be way better if they didn't exist in first place, how Chuck catches MC & Petal was quite awkward, and like he knowing wasn't enough snitch Chuck even went out his way to say his girlfriend Wendy as well. Secondly Chuck feels like created to rub on us how unlucky we are ''I don't know man, whatever I touch becomes gold'' says millionare Chuck who did almost nothing to earn that money. For the third like the whole thing wasn't awkward enough writers decided to add traumatic past to both Chuck & Wendy, for Chuck it's things his father done to him while he was child, and for Wendy it's things his brother done to her while she was child, both were awkward, and quite unnecessary, only thing it does is ruining the whole cute, and lovely development going on between MC & Petal. - The whole blindfold thing was quite unnecessary, and kind of ruined the progress MC & Petal was making. - Obviously the game lacks variety since we have only one love interest. - Choices doesn't matter, and as a player you have no control over the story. - The game doesn't have good amount of content to justfy the slow-burn, since it ends after the climax of the game without rewarding players like it should. VERDICT The game was good at first hours, but especially with Chuck coming into story quality starts to drop, things become awkward, and lost the magic, I wouldn't call it's terrible game, but for sure it's poor because of ruining the great potential the game had with a lot unnecessary things.

Looking at recent reviews, it's good to know that I'm not the only one disappointed by this VN. I've been patiently waiting for the trilogy to be completed. I waited years to pick up the story, so when Over The Moon was completed a few days ago, I went into A Petal Among Thorns with good expectations. And indeed, the first 30-40% of the game was good. It's one of the few VNs that get the slow burn aspect right. It's well-written and entertaining enough to keep you engaged and always looking forward to the next step. You know that it'll happen, but the build up is half of the fun. And... that's where the compliments end. Because unfortunately, the payoff doesn't justify the build up. Writing & Characters: Spoiler First of all, I have a bone to pick with this MC. His whole shtick is that he's a comedian. A failed one, mind you, which is something that becomes evidently clear when you read the first sex scene. He constantly cracks jokes before, during and after sex scenes. I don't even think it was intentional because of his background; I think the author is just terrible at writing sex scenes, as we'll get into later. The point is, this MC constantly ruins the mood with the goofiest dialogue I've ever read in a VN. It's honestly impressive how he never runs out of material, always finding a new way to dump a bucket of cold water on EVERY. SINGLE. SEX SCENE. From beginning to end, he never stops. If that wasn't enough, when the characters do have some normal dirty talk, it's almost as bad as the MC's jokes. The dirty talk is nice at first, but it gets old fast . It's just too verbose and lacks emotion, something that could be easily fixed by simply adding moans or letting the characters immerse themselves in the sensations rather than get distracted by their constant back-and-forth. They just try way too hard, and the dialogue lays it on so thick that it makes the whole thing feel like a big roleplay instead of two characters genuinely engaging on an intimate level. Words like "compounded," "sensational," and "engorged" are incompatible with dirty talk. And no matter how you look at it, people don't maintain a perfect prose with proper use of commas and big words while having sex in real life. This motherfucker literally does the "definition of insanity" bit during a sex scene once. That's how mind-numbingly asinine the MC is during sex scenes. Still talking about the MC, he comes off as a whiny bitch most of the time, and I'm not just talking about his reluctance towards incest or how stubborn he is. He actually improves on those things at some point. My biggest gripe is actually how passive he is in the bedroom, and how he basically allowed his sex life with Rose to deteriorate because she wanted him to be more dominant. The thing is, he's inconsistent as fuck. He's super passive but he was also supposedly the top in his relationship with Rose. Then when she wanted him to top *harder*, he couldn't give it to her. It's not even like she was asking a submissive guy to act dominant. She just wanted *more* of what he already gave her. In real life, it's rare when our partner is dissatisfied and we know exactly what they're expecting from us. It's a rare opportunity to make things better, almost like a cheat code. So for the MC to just allow his relationship to crumble while knowing exactly what the problem is... That's just peak idiocy. And he even has the audacity to constantly blame Rose and compare her to Petal's "adventurous" personality, calling Rose "prudish" when SHE was the one who wanted more from him. Actual scumbag, holy shit. I get it that the author probably just couldn't come up with a more plausible reason for their distancing, but it's still pretty dumb and I genuinely hate how this MC behaves most of the time. I'm hopeful that he gets better in the sequels, but in this game, he's insufferable. Petal is... fine. I have very few problems with her, really. She feels like a real person with real motives, and she has a touch of unpredictability that gives her personality. I wish that was exploited more, because it often feels like she's a bit empty underneath all the plotting and teasing. She's just happy all the time and very one-track-minded, but maybe that will change in the sequels. We'll see. Visuals & Sexual Content: Spoiler As another review below mentioned, the game is SUPER vanilla, but in a bad way. The characters say that they're going to do this and that in all these kinky ways, but none of those things actually come to fruition. One more reason why the whole thing just seems like a big meaningless roleplay. It's like the author has the creativity to THINK of sexy scenes, but lacks the practical knowledge to incorporate them. Kinda like a teenage couple in a long distance relationship teasing each other about all the things they'll do to each other, only to have the most awkward sex ever when they actually meet. And you know what? I'm not hopeful that the sex scenes get better in the sequels, because the problem here is way too fundamental. It's in the game's DNA. It's the terrible dirty talk that insists upon itself, and the presentation that stubbornly refuses to let the reader feel any arousal. Literally the only "kink" in this game is the foot fetish that really overstays its welcome. Sure, it's skippable, but it's still pretty messed up how that's the only thing the game has to offer in terms of kink. It's like going to a barbeque restaurant that only serves one type of meat with no side dishes and no drinks. Even if you like the meat, you'll want some variety. And if you don't like the only meat on the menu, you'll have nothing else to look forward to. Another good comparison is that this game is like a never-ending dry handjob. It's still a handjob, but it's dry and unsatisfying. Funnily enough, you get plenty of dry handjobs in this game. The "mild femdom" mentioned in the thread is already detestable enough on its own, but I hate it even more when it's the only flavor aside from vanilla. "The author's barely disguised fetish" and all that. Should've just made a pure femdom game to begin with, then I wouldn't even have downloaded it. And no, I don't count "pet play" as a kink here. It has no dedicated scene, just some playful teasing. As for the visuals, I only have one complaint, which is the MC's deformed chode of a dick. Other than that, the renders are nice and the animations are decent. Keep in mind that the game does dump a bunch of dialogue in one singular render before moving to the next scene, which makes the game feel somewhat cheap and lazy. But that's a nitpick, so I digress. Conclusion/TL;DR: Pure disappointment. I'll still try to read the sequels because I'm genuinely hopeful that things get at least a little bit better, but on its own, this VN genuinely sucks ass. The MC is awful, the sex scenes are unsexy, and the payoff to all that great build up feels like a scam. If you're just thinking of starting the trilogy but aren't as patient as me, then reconsider. It's really not worth it. There's a different father/daughter game here that took HEAVY inspiration from Petal Among Thorns, and I actually liked that one more. I saw some people saying that Over The Moon ruined the trilogy, so... was this supposed to be the good one? Fucking hell. Writing: ★★★☆☆ Visuals: ★★★☆☆ Sexual Content: ☆☆☆☆☆ Personal Enjoyment: ★☆☆☆☆ Also, I thought it was fitting to end this review with an excerpt that perfectly represents this game in a nutshell: MC: "Don't forget to thank your waiter before you leave." Petal: "Wait, what? What does that even mean?" MC: "I'm not good at sex talk, I don't know what I'm saying. It sounded better in my head." Petal: "You don't have to talk, just fuck me harder!"

Yeah, the eponymous "Petal" is cute, but that's about it. The fact that she'd spend more than a few hours with the uber-doofus/pussy/coward of a father-figure is a huge minus for her character; I mean, she's attracted to THIS GUY?? Yikes! If only every player were related to him, maybe we'd see the magnetism... Because, spoiler/not spoiler: he is the antithesis of attractive. At least to me. And proabably 97% of females who might ever come close to playing this here...game? Nah, Kinetic story with a few "choices" thrown in as a bone. But seeing as how most AVN players are manboys, somehow that's...different? I don't get it. Either way, he's an absolute noodj. Really, if it's ONLY incest you want to see, and are willing to put up with a shit ton of "edging" (no, 'cause "edging" means you're having an erotic experience), slow-ass burn with jokes that aren't funny -- go for it. Otherwise, pass. I hear this one is the best of the trilogy! -- Good luck. Oh and MC is apparently a comedian? Best joke in the whole series!

This is primarily a two character story. The daughter is one of the greatest characters I've ever encountered in a VN while the father is one of the worst. In VN's, males are typically either too pathetic or too studly, and this guy is both. Tall, broad-shouldered, super muscular dude with a strong jaw? Too manly. Let's balance it out by giving him the maturity of a six-year-old. This guy is a professional comedian who isn't funny, but tries to be because he lacks the maturity to handle challenging moments like an adult. The story sucks because the good old fashioned taboo romance is ruined by some pseudoscientific quirk. The reason this gets four stars is we get a whole lot of Petal. She's the cute, wily, adorable, vivacious aggressor and adult in the relationship. The only thing sad about her is her taste in men. While this is the first installment in a trilogy, the latter two installments are notably inferior as Petal eventually takes a backseat.

the character writing is not fun, better than bad, but not good enough to need play time from me especially as story is restricted in a room between 2 people. Taboo of the setting is not felt, the best thing I can say about this game is that is is okay for an incest game, which is not good enough for me

then -- it's not one of my favorite games. I still call them games because everybody calls them games but they're much much more than that. Anyway, it didn't engage me 100 percent. The visual novel is a psychological journey through the minds of the main characters. I can't stand visual novels where the mailman comes in and.... who are you? the mailman? what a big dick you have. Please stick it up my ass. Instead, this is a good story with a lot of psychology in the dialogues. I liked it 75%. The author paid so much attention to the dialogues that were fundamental to the story, and those were really satisfying. Unfortunately, in the transitions between important moments he fell into such a high level of banality that it made you want to stop playing. I understand that to do everything right you can't finish a game in two years. That left the story as a diamond in the rough, though. Some moments were of tremendous intensity. Moving. A punch in the gut. But others.... ridiculous, approximate, boring, trivial. That said for me the author deserves a 5 if not a 6 or 7. He should be more thorough, though. What lies in between important moments should be up to par. The way I see it better a game released in an extra year but without trivial and stupid moments. EDIT: I'm lowering my rating from 5 to 2 stars after reading the last chapter of the trilogy, which ruined the entire project.

Decent game but the whole plot of the ex wife is terrible. MC is a total cuck loser in that. Honestly made the game unplayable, it just made no sense in the story and killed any positive feelings for this game. Would be 5 stars if it wasn't for that.

the dialogue is weird, the comedy is bad (one-liners spam), and the story is campy. the renders are very high quality so they basically carry the game. i'd give this a worse rating if i wasn't treating it as a forgettable intro game to the sequel.

I love daddy/daughter incest, so i want so much to like this game... but it's SO boring! Too much (and cringe) text and a plot that pretends to be slow burn, but it's only excuse to nothing happens for a long time. I'm not masoquist enought to finish this game, but i'm pretty sure the sex is gonna be endgame. I don't know why a lot o devs do this. If you don't actually have a story to tell, don't pretend, you aren't fooling anyone. That said: the daughter model is perfect. She is beautiful. But that's all lol

Amazing. The art is great and Petal is an incredible mix of assertive and submissive. Includes some fetishes, but keeps them light and accessible enough that they may appeal regardless if they're fetishes of yours already.

"A Petal Among Thorns" seemed to revolve around a romantic story between a mature man and a young girl (father&daughter), but it turned out to be disappointing. It is challenging to provide an objective review due to the focus on teasing, sex denial, roleplay (puppy girl - master), mild BDSM and similar themes. While these elements are not personally appealing, I will share my impressions of the experience. The characters engage in excessive dialogue. While I enjoy reading, their conversations often feel artificial, unrealistic, and trivial. They discuss random topics, like when they are sitting on the sofa to watch a movie on TV that is unrelated to the story. I found it challenging to endure the lengthy and tedious dialogues about nonsensical matters. Additionally, the MC, who attempts to be a comedian, consistently makes poor, cheesy jokes that are cringeworthy and unpleasant to read. Despite the technically well-written nature of the dialogues, they lack colloquial language and instead resemble two literature scholars conversing due to the abundance of adjectives used. Petal is a visually attractive character, beautifully rendered. She exhibits a strong sexual obsession with the MC, resembling a complex akin to Electra or other psychological themes. Petal's sexual advances towards the main character are thwarted by him. He is depicted as having a high libido masked by moral righteousness, establishing rules and boundaries to manage Petal's sexual urges in a methodical manner. This ultimately results in an uncomfortable and cringe-inducing scenario. Additionally, the nonchalant attitude towards BDSM activities, including Petal's desire of being deflowered while handcuffed (WTF!) , feels totally out of place and weird. The absence of intimate moments, such as kissing (they never make out) and foreplay, kill the romance and further detracts from the narrative. There are a few choices to make in the game, but they appear to be inconsequential as there are no alternate paths; the story follows a linear progression. The renderings are of acceptable quality, and the brief yet hot erotic scenes leave one wanting more, playing into the theme of "denial". The moaning sound effects during sex scenes add eroticism, but they are limited in number. The background music serves its purpose in complementing the dull dialogues, with its soothing tones even causing drowsiness on a couple of occasions. In summary, the story is overly dense with lengthy dialogues filled with unnecessary details and nonsensical elements that do not contribute to the plot but rather induce boredom. The MC lacks charisma and even Petal, with her psychological peculiarities, fails to captivate. This visual novel progresses at a slow pace, offering an average number of erotic scenes (12, by my count). If you enjoy tease and denial, mild BDSM, and roleplay, then this VN may be suited to your preferences.

Review of v6.0.2-RE A Petal Among Thorns is a the definition of a 3.5 for me. It does everything it's trying to do well, but what it's trying to do is often frustrating. The game is about an adult girl seducing her father in a week. Despite this obviously being a fantastical premise, Lockheart chooses to tell it in a down to earth manner, and Lockheart does this successfully. The mc doesn't have substantial romantic or sexual feelings towards his daughter at the start of the week, whereas she does, and so he takes a lot of convincing. This ties into his insecurities about sex which we learn about; that storyline is told convincingly. Throughout the entire playtime we hear his inner thoughts increasingly desiring sex, while outwardly he is timid and constantly trying to slow things down. Meanwhile his daughter is constantly asking him to dominate her, but he never does. That makes sense in the story, but it can be very frustrating for horny players. Even worse, during their sexual interactions both characters start to engage in some very hot dirty talk - "I'm your fucktoy" this, "I'll fuck you anywhere I want" that - but none of it materialises into anything real. And while the dirty talk is mostly high quality, we still get some typical AVN awful comedy. "Scrambling eggs" has to be one of the worst terms for sex ever coined. Lockheart was clever in giving the mc a backstory as a failed comedian, but can we please keep the jokes out of the sex scenes? Visually, A Petal Among Thorns is a delight. Petal's model is excellent, all the renders look great, and the animations are smooth and actually look like sex rather than lego pieces being pushed together. The sex scenes are hot but not quite hot enough for me, partially because everything is so vanilla. The real reason to play this is because it leads into A Moment of Bliss, which is like this game but better in every way. I had to struggle through quite a few moments in this game, but it was definitely worth it for the sequel. TL;DR Chuck is the mvp.

This might be one of the best build up games of all time. The renders and character models were fantastic. The ending was perfectly worked to match the energy of the next game. Good job Dev and keep working for us please.

Note: This is the first game of Lockheart's 'The Rose Garden Trilogy'. 'A Petal Among Thorns' (APAT) has recently been remastered with some changes to the story and narrative, and an updated look for Petal. Having downloaded APAT a few months back, I only realized after finishing Chapter 1 that I was on an outdated version. For completeness, I restarted the game on 6.0.2. TL;DR: If you like strong storytelling and characterization, and don't mind incest, then I'd suggest you play this game. There's a lot of teasing and edging happening, which puts this it in the erotic category. If you're just playing for the porn, you'll be frustrated. General: Text size is on the larger end, if it's too large, it can be resized using SHIFT+A. The game includes a configurable textbox, something I always appreciate. The upside of the larger font, is that it's clear when it's italicized when showing the MC's inner thoughts. The game also includes a gallery for players to revisit the quality sex/erotic scenes. By default, the MC is named 'Chester', and he'll be the 'Guardian' of his 'Ward', Petal, who is 18. Petal will call Rose her Keeper. Because the genre includes father/daughter and incest in its list, I decided to change these default to be more in-line with an incestuous relationship after the game prompted for it. Petal's age can't be changed, which, I think, is a good thing for continuity and coherence of the story. Visually , the game is very appealing. The cabin is a great setting, providing a fully furnished environment for the story to take place. Animations are well done, but aren't flawless. Some will suffer from the typical 'sliding into each other'-movement, while others (mostly in the latter chapters) will overuse the camera's zoom function. The main draw for me for this game is its story , atmosphere , and writing . The MC and Petal engage in actual conversations about their escalating relationship, they talk about boundaries and their likes/dislikes. All of these conversations also serve their purpose in the greater overarching story, of the MC and Petal growing closer and more intimate. A main theme of APAT is black and white-thinking. Both Petal and the MC fall into this trap. Petal has very black and white views that align with a naive young adult's. People are good or evil, things are good or bad. The MC adopts this extreme way of thinking when it concerns his past and current trouble, with him blaming himself for it all. He wants to be a good provider, but he doesn't step up. Spoilers below! Spoiler: Thoughts about defining character titles: While it's great that we can set these variables ourselves, it would've been better if Xianne told us what each default was before we changed them. That said, Xianne does recap the changes and lets you adjust the variables if necessary. These values can also be changed through the Preferences-screen. It's interesting that if you tell Xianne she's wrong, the titles are changed to 'Captain', 'First Mate' and 'Purser' instead. This is a nice touch, and offers a fun alternative for people who want more distance from the incest aspects. If you change the names and titles through the preferences, the default values are: Chester/Guardian/Ward/Keeper/Petal. Unlike version 5.x, there's no continuity error with Petal's last name. Halfway through Chapter 2, the player can set the nicknames the MC and Petal have for each other, these can also be set at the start of the game through the Preferences, but will be overwritten with Chapter 2's choices. These variables seem to be stored persistently, so if you change them in a 2nd playthrough, they'll change for older saves as well. This also means that the last choices you made will carry over to scenes played through the gallery. Throughout the game, there are contextual (and some straight-forward) clues that Petal is, in fact, the daughter of the MC and Rose. This somewhat defeats the purpose of being able to redefine their titles. I suspect this function only exists to appease censors. Characters: Spoiler: Chester (The MC): At the start of the game, the MC comes across as being tired, and a bit lost. He's coming home after a year of doing a comedy tour. It wasn't as successful as he hoped it'd be. When Petal starts to tease him unrelentingly, he defuses the situation by joking and making her laugh with him instead of at him. He opens up about his struggles, and doesn't seem shy or insecure. Instead, he's a man on a mission to make this week an enjoyable experience, while figuring out his next move. Right from the start of APAT, the MC shows some interest in Petal's (newly acquired) physical attributes, though he admonishes himself for it. This is framed nicely by him having been away for a year, and having had little to no contact with women, outside of work. He's lonely, more so due to the separation from Rose, which makes him vulnerable. When Petal wants to escalate their relationship, the MC is initially very hesitant and steadfast. Some great writing frames the MC's way of thinking. He's trying to come to terms with having some physical attraction to Petal, while feeling that it's wrong and could lead to disaster. Petal, through unrelenting seduction, eventually breaks through this barrier, and the MC slowly starts taking more initiative, at least up to a point. When Petal allows things to escalate too far, the MC pulls back in future events, only escalating to action he knows Petal is fine with/ready for. Petal sees the MC's concern for her wellbeing as him being timid. (More below under 'Petal'). The respect I have for the MC grows until chapter 3, but after the call with Bliss, something seems to change. The MC suddenly gets filled with self-doubt and loses his resolve. While we already knew that the MC held various jobs, this wasn't really expanded on. Apparently, the MC is unable to hold on to a job because he doesn't like authority and can't deal with office politics and arguments. This same man, that a few days ago was bettering himself and performing introspection on how to do better, is now wallowing in self-pity and self-doubt. He wants to be stoic, self-sufficient, and masculine. He would like to be seen as dominant and reliable. In reality, he constantly fails to live up to that ideal. His insistence on taking the blame for everything doesn't make me regard him highly, either. It's not something I expect from a 39-year-old. He even told Chuck “we always made it work”, which insinuates there had been money problems in the past. Yet, these haven't caused any introspection, or made him reconsider his own work ethic and attitude? As a man, his priorities would've been to be useful and provide for his family. This introspection should've happened as soon as Moon was born. This is a contradiction that's at the core of the MC. He'll claim to be willing to sacrifice anything for his daughters, to provide for them, and give them anything they want… But when he gets a golden opportunity, he whines about feeling emasculated because he didn't feel he earned the opportunity. Despite what he claims to want, he can't get over himself to do what's needed. I'll mention this a few more times, but all of this turmoil and conflict is wrapped into a great story and masterful dialog. All of these observations are coming from what characters have said or alluded to. While I don't like the MC we have in the last chapter (except in the 2nd to last scene with Petal, where he's showing some assertiveness), there is part of his character that has grown, and part of it that has diminished. I truly hope that when playing through 'A Moment of Bliss', this low point will be addressed as part of his Hero's Journey to becoming the man he and his family wants him to be. Spoiler: Petal: Petal is a tease. She's happy to be with her father again after a year apart. She makes jokes at his expensive, likely to pick up their bond where it left off a year ago. Besides being a tease, Petal, being the youngest daughter, knows how to manipulate and get her way. She'll ask questions about her parent's relationship, and use the answers to better conform to what the MC likes. She'll regularly break her promises and tries to push boundaries. But, when asked a straight-forward question, she'll usually answer truthfully. She'll own up to her manipulation, and will let the MC know exactly which outcome she desires. Petal contradicts herself occasionally. She'll say that she only got interested in the MC intimately during their vacation, but then reminisces about a rough sex act she witnessed her parents doing. She'll immediately associate the MC's erection with her being desirable, as if she's been craving that validation for a long time, instead of weirding her out. Not only that, but she's also mature and immature at the same time. She'll get ahead of herself and bite off more than she can chew, while having enough hubris to think she knows better what the MC needs, than he does himself. While she does show certain insights into the MC's psyche, she will manipulate and influence the MC into doing things her way. At points, this entirely subverts the father/daughter relationship, where Petal will make unilateral decisions about the future of the MC. The way she reaches that point is by breaking the MC's view of her being an innocent child, then to requesting equal status, and eventually winding him (and the player) around her finger so he'll do whatever she wants. All of this might sound negative, and maybe I don't hold Petal in the highest regard. But the writing surrounding all of this is masterfully done. And, in a way, I can't blame Petal for stepping up because the MC sure as hell isn't during the last 2 chapters. Petal sees the MC's concern for her wellbeing as him being timid, she'll encourage him to take what he wants, even more so sexually. He should take her, Bliss and Rose, even Moon, if it's up to Petal. Yet, if the MC would give in to his base instincts and wants, he'd cross her boundaries without regard for her feelings or wellbeing and ravage her. Maybe she's too naive to understand this, even after a boundary-crossing event happens to her. What's worse, is that she (like mentioned above) manipulates the MC into doing things her way, and him going along with it, fully knowing what she's up to. By the end of the game, the MC does what she wants when she wants it. Even if it's objectively a bad idea. For instance, has any writer gotten any serious work done by getting half a blowjob without release after every page written? She's not really teaching the MC that it's fine to be honest with himself about what he wants, instead, him being wrapped around her finger takes away this agency. Background: Spoiler: The relationship between the MC and Rose: At the start of the game, the MC considers himself separated from Rose. The MC and Petal reminisce a bit about her, and bring her up in positive ways. That the MC is separated from Rose (they were never married), does raise certain questions: He's been gone for a year while doing a comedy tour. Does he have a home to return to? Is he supposed to live with his 'ex-girlfriend' to be with his children, after this short vacation is over? What caused the end of the relationship? The way the MC speaks about her makes it seem he misses her. At the same time, it seems like the separation has been a mutual decision. If the decision was mutual, and the MC is expecting to still live at their home and share bills, why not open the relationship instead? Wouldn't it come down to the same thing? About 15 years ago (coinciding with the lawsuit she had against her father, where her brother refused to testify), Rose began pulling back from the relationship with the MC, mostly by declining intimacy. The MC blames himself for this, saying that he should've been more open-minded, or done more effort. Personally, I hate his reasoning because a relationship requires two people to be engaged in it. Rose kept secrets, and Rose shut him out, if he tried to be intimate but got shut down without a real reason, then he's in his right to feel frustrated. The alternative is that he just takes what he wants, but why would he, without an honest conversation first? The way it sounds, is that Rose never showed anger or disappointment in the MC, making her withdrawal from the relationship very one-sided. After “multiple long conversations”, the separation happens and the MC leaves on his comedy tour. The MC's future living arrangements are still up in the air by the end of the game. In chapter 1, Petal asks “So you're going to be able to visit all the time?” insinuating he'll live somewhere else. But throughout the game, her dialog shows she expects the MC to live at home with his other daughters and Rose. She remarks that the MC will be free to use her while she sleeps, or that she'll pleasure him with her feet while at the table with Rose and her sisters. While this could be part of her manipulation to entice the MC to live at home, just dirty talk or wishful thinking, it's brought up too often to not attach some importance to it. Spoiler: The MC's sexual preferences: When the first thing the MC does is to propose a safe word, he gives the impression that he's sexually experienced. In reality, he's only been with Rose, and has been in a dead bedroom relationship for the past 15 years. He'll claim to enjoy rough sex, while also complaining that Rose was very vanilla in her likes. The one time that he had gotten rough with Rose, somewhere during the 15-year dry spell, she reciprocated and they had intercourse. I'm sure everyone reading will think: “But wait! If Rose was receptive to that while showing little interest otherwise, then maybe the MC needs to be more aggressive or assertive with her?” While it isn't really addressed if the MC attempted this, it seems unlikely that he made this link himself.

It feels like this characters actually has a chemistry and relationship and dialog between them fun to read even they are sometimes awkward and this game has a lot of edging if you want fast fap this isnt for you story take times develop.

I am not sure how this is so well liked, as I am not able to get through this. Almost every sentence reads awkwardly. Most are overwritten, the daughter and dad basically sound the same, and the comedy is just not really funny. And no, that was not an appropriate usage of touché. For an example of the writing: Dad: "Ugh. I feel like the life has been sapped out of me. I can barely move.", when the dad is feeling a bit ill. Daughter/Petal: "Here you go, daddy. It's a cool, moist cloth for your head. It should help." No one talks like this. It's a strange mixture of descriptive text to set the scene, mixed in with actual dialogue. It's jarring. I give up.